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Game Elden Ring Mafia

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Day 2 VC 2
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    • Grammaton

    Grammaton

    Consigliere
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    Day 2 Vote Count 2

    Tweet 3 - Alco, RDK, Phenom
    Lethal 8 - BLD, Evans, TPein, Retro, Ultra, Soulkiller, Ekko, Yoshi
    BLD 3 - Poyser, CP, Tweet
    Retro 1 - Rugrat

    With 22 alive, 12 votes to lynch. You have approximately 17 hours remaining.

    *Will likely be my last VC of the evening.    ​
     
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    • Ultra

    Ultra

    THE BEAR
    Moderator
    Mafia Beast
    Grammaton said:
    Day 2 Vote Count 2

    Tweet 3 - Alco, RDK, Phenom
    Lethal 7 - BLD, Evans, TPein, Retro, Soulkiller, Ekko, Yoshi
    BLD 3 - Poyser, CP, Tweet
    Retro 1 - Rugrat

    With 22 alive, 12 votes to lynch. You have approximately 17 hours remaining.

    *Will likely be my last VC of the evening.    ​
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    Did my vote not count or was I blocked?

    [Vote lynch Lethal]
     
    Ultra

    Ultra

    THE BEAR
    Moderator
    Mafia Beast
    Ultra said:
    Just wanted to quickly share my thoughts/findings before I catch up.

    First, on Fang:

    So it looks like Fang claimed indie out of sheer necessity. That's the only reasonable explanation I can think of I had assumed there's no reason for mafia to do so, but if he has no (free) fake claims available, he either faces the risk of getting counterclaimed in a sea of townies vs claiming an indie which probably exists but won't step up to risk correcting him.

    Or at least that *would* be the risk calculus, if it weren't for the presence of Generic Townies. My best guess is that he wasn't aware those actually existed before he bluffed a power role early on, and then he ended up putting himself into a corner.

    In short I think I misread him because of a misplaced assumption, and because I gave him too much credit. Interesting stuff.

    ---

    Next, Lethal.

    So I was ISO'ing Lethal in the night and I think he strikes me as a really likely partner candidate for Fang

    Here are quotes from his ISO either mentioning Fang, or context surrounding him. It's a bit scarce, but:





    Notice that these two mentions aren't real reads or leans, they're just observations without implicating him. Instead of explaining why he suspects Fang, he just explains why he suspects Ekko by association. If youlook at the rest of his posts he does due diligence for why he suspects players like Ekko/Tweet/Me but there's 0 depth here. And that's suspicious because a partner of Fang is less likely to have genuine progression, and more likely to feel the obligation to read him as scum but treat it as an afterthought and place the focus on players they can develop as suspects.

    Now on to the juicier stuff:



    A similar pattern emerges here, where Fang gets maybe barely implicated, but Lethal does not miss the opportunity to tie it to another player. Tied with a bow by a complete nonsense conclusion about a Fang/Yoshi/Ultra scum team.

    Now the reason why this is a major red flag is because *Fang has already claimed Ind and Lethal is well aware of this*. So I think this is a big TMI slip. There's no reason for Lethal to be thinking in the dimensions of partnerships with Fang not only claiming, but by his own admission, he believed him!:



    Finally, votes are a good indication of where his skin-in-the-game lies, and his pattern at EoD was to Vote Ekko, then hop on the Tweet wagon when it appeared, and then only lynched Fang at the last possible second:























    ^ Cherry on top is that if you look at the vote counter, he's not even the one who hammered.

    Others have brought up how his behavior is suspicious in general, lots of activity excuses “I’m catching up (despite coming across as well informed)”, etc. But I think this in particular is pretty damining

    [Vote lynch Lethal]

    I also think his flip will offer some indirect info about Tweet which is good.
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    @Grammaton

    In case you missed it, and in case for whatever reason order matters.
     
    Doddsy

    Doddsy

    Mafia God
    Black Pegged Dragon said:
    @Ratchet @SoulKiller @Retrolize @Evans @Yoshi

    I voted for Lethal. I dropped a case for Lethal. Lethal says their game has improved and that they are MUCH braver now. This is Lethal's chosen response to that pressure. What do you think of it?
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    To be fair to Lethal on that point, this is generally how he will react when pressured as either alignment
    Lethal said:
    Anyway I'm going to bed.

    Hewg, The Lands Between Aligned! Benefactor. Queen Marika has given me a sacred task, which is to forge a weapon that can slay a God. The endeavour appears futile. I can create a weapon and armour. I must send the object to another player. I cannot create the object and send it on the same night. I crafted an item last night and will send it tonight. If I am killed whilst in possession of an object (which I currently am), then it passes to the player who kills me or hammers me.
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    Don't see how Lethal claims this if he's scum to be honest. Easily provable if he survives. Probably shouldn't have claimed the last part either way.

    Could maybe be an alternative claim for a Golden Order blacksmith but I don't believe there are any. I think each character largely creates their own weapon.

    Black Pegged Dragon said:
    This screams fake. Sounds so robotic.

    Oh look at Craig instantly liking this post as well.
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    What about it screams fake to you?

    Most of this argument is a large dead zone for anything useful IMO, as it's mostly just fightning and the same points getting repeated over and over. Although BPD looks worse of the two coming out of it at the stage I'm up to, as their doesn't seem to be much genuine consideration of what's being said, regarding both the claim and Poyser's stuff about his vote on Aurelian.
     
    T-Pein™

    T-Pein™

    The Nexus
    Pronouns
    They/Them
    Rugrat said:
    Not really, I’ve given a read based on the actions of the thread. How does it make me have too much information for disagreeing on a read
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    Cuz he looks terrible af.
    Why are you town reading him again?
    He literally refused to hammer scum and danced around voting him for hours.
    He never gave w good reason not to vote there
     
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