I said I can craft items. Cannot craft & gift the same night. Used successfully 4 times. I’m now out of usage.Why not though? Did you ever claim to be limited? I don't recall it lol
4 times? you mean crafted twice, gifted twice?I said I can craft items. Cannot craft & gift the same night. Used successfully 4 times. I’m now out of usage.
that's not what i was talking about at all lol28 hours is enough time for folks to get on and have input.
Well I could craft twice then gift twice.4 times? you mean crafted twice, gifted twice?
How does your usage work? do you have 4 shots you can either craft or gift with - and if a gift failed, would that consume one of those shots?
This doesn't really make sense lol
Big man claimed the neighbouriser type role yeah? With Arp. Hmmmmm.
missed that post from lethal lmaoWho are exactly, Dalton and Big Man?
I think it's more likely he's Rykard tbh. His posts have not been up to his usual standard, but he has improved more as the game has gone on. He could be scum proper too realistically, neighbouriser not that uncommon of a scum role but I think it's not likely.
It is because he was under the impression we were aligned, and was "99.9%" sure Rugrat was scum. Does not add up to then follow a counter wagon he is pushing.
How did I come at you from a scum angle? My point was obviously true you've been night and day compared to before and after
Yes I did
surely you could actually gift more than twice though if one of your gifts were blocked?Well I could craft twice then gift twice.
1 weapon, 1 armour. If I was killed or lynched whilst holding it, the item would go to my killer
Well no if I was blocked then I’d say it’s just disappeared. Both targets confirmed receiving the crafted items.surely you could actually gift more than twice though if one of your gifts were blocked?
The mention of 4 times just confuses me. like its specific or something.
Anyway I'm going to bed.
Hewg, The Lands Between Aligned! Benefactor. Queen Marika has given me a sacred task, which is to forge a weapon that can slay a God. The endeavour appears futile. I can create a weapon and armour. I must send the object to another player. I cannot create the object and send it on the same night. I crafted an item last night and will send it tonight. If I am killed whilst in possession of an object (which I currently am), then it passes to the player who kills me or hammers me.
Yeah it's called a paraphrased role PM
Interesting analysis from a guy on 4 posts. Will be interesting if you provide your catch up
It’s a weapon. Obvs if lynched it goes to my hammer. If I survive, I’ll gift to my town core of leans.
Well if you survive this phase don't give it to me since I'm //*CONFIRMED TOWN*\\ and likely to be shot.
Unless it's a BP vest. Then you should definitely give it to me! But you said it's a weapon, so.
Catch? I’m confused. I created a weapon. Or do you mean catch about gun? Only Haza and myself know what the weapon is.
But if he dies and I target him, he has no way to vouch on that
I have other items to gift this time. It’s a very odd coincidence
Yeah I kinda jumped too early. All good.
Are you my doctor?
I’ve had you scum lean most of the game and you’ve done nothing to shift away from this.
Shoot? Who said anything about shoot?
Um, no, I re-established that I gifted a weapon. At no place or time did I mention it was a gun. The only two people in-game who know what the weapon is are myself and Haza.
Also re: the Evans vote, who honestly thinks that Dragon, Ultra and myself are a team? It's a place holder vote whilst I do some research on Evans' scum game
Kill choices are a choice for sure - Ratchet confirmed via slip, CP town lock due to role claim, myself 99% town lock due to role claim + hider clear.
Kinda sorta wanna sniff around Evans again. Gonna re-read that EOD phase.
Am I missing other important posts
like, in the context of *this day phase*, this looks... you know, yikes1. Lethal - I've come away from the hard scum read on Lethal I had. Ultra's flip is gonna give us info towards this, but see my prev post for why I still have Lethal down as scum as opposed to the town read he's getting off everyone else.
5. Retrolize - Honestly trying to figure Retro out. Why seraph a claimed hider? Very strange. The run of posts about hating certain roles and being high etc just seemed like nonsense to me. I also don't get why they wouldn't say who they're worried about setting them up for opportunistic mislynch when they've already claimed their role? Like that information is helpful for town.
6. Ekko - If Ultra/BPD flip scum then I think it makes Ekko look good and moves him away from my suspicions. Although I still feel uneasy about the perceived distancing between him & Ultra.
7. Ratchet - Strongest natural town read from his play all game. The janitor attempt confirms it IMO.
8. RDK - Has been my biggest town read all game but again as per the prev post and the change in activity & thread presence is a bit of an alert IMO.
9. TPein - The CFD was crazy, especially when you look at who joined it.
11. CraigPelton - Literally confirmed town and actively pushing/leading town.
14. Ultra - Pretty set on Ultra being scum still. Hasn't done anything to change my mind and the pushes on inactives like Dalton seem like a distraction.
19. Doddsy - Still leaning town on Doddsy as per my previous reads list.
20. Black Legged Dragon - pretty content it was a slip re: the gun/kill given to RDK. I don't know in what world town BPD would be expecting Lethal to give him a weapon lol. The inconsistencies and tunnels through a scum perspective seem like massive distractions and the willingness to claim under no pressure or demand was ????.
21. Hans Tweetenberg - Tweet's been a rollercoaster this game. I don't get why he's suddenly become averse to the Ultra lynch today but his play has been night & day from D1. I want to give the benefit of a the softest town lean possible based on my current scum reads & directions I wanna go with.
reads from soul attached to tpeins replyYour analysis is all sorts of wrong.
Specifically this.
"Yoshi, Arp, CP, Alco, RDK . These guys stayed on Fang from the get go to the end"
RDK was trying to lynch kekko and Tweet.
He had no conviction on that aerolean wagon.
still open to doddsy being hammered if it comes to it?Doddsy I’d be happy if you hammered. Could use the object nicely.
ratchet-kun's readsIt's not really - it was to make an argument that I had not yet seen made.
Right, because most of your defence would have been "that's not what I meant".
If you think I wanted to spare myself an extended back and forth, then you're really not as familiar with my play as you think you are. It's quite simple really. I had noticed behaviour I wanted to call attention to, and I wanted to do it properly in the form of a case. The day started about halfway through my work day, so I couldn't really start there. I got back and after eating etc, ended up going to sleep. I woke up in the middle of the night, and then a few hours later got started on putting it together. That took about 2-3 hours in total. Not once did the thought "I really need to not give Ultra a chance to defend himself here" cross my mind.
As for reads, here is what I wrote up over the night:
1. Lethal - Lean Town. Should be resolved if Ultra is Town.
3. Rugrat - Null/Town. Don't have much to read from, even if he is broadly in agreement.
4. Phenom - Null. Haven't given his slot due consideration. Could be a blind spot.
5. Retrolize - Lean Town. I think some of her thought processes have been very genuine.
6. Ekko - Null/Town. He's losing stock but I don't want to hold his absence against him.
8. RDK - Lean Town. Looked pretty organic vs Aurelian, Ekko's incessant tunnel is giving me pause. Not because I think Ekko looks townie, I'm struggling to see his angle. Will need to see how his Day 3 holds.
9. TPein - Lean Scum. Who really knows with T-Pein, I think he has had some degree of manipulativeness. Think his flip is going to be needed eventually.
10. Poyser - Indie. Generally suspect he's probably harmful, but I don't have any real reason to get rid of him right now. He was heavily town read without claiming Indie, so he could just be telling the truth.
11. CraigPelton - Lean Town. His character claim is probably needed sooner or later, I do think it would be very bold of Scum to claim to be responsible for stopping all attacks. Will see how tonight unfolds, but probably not too interested in re-evaluating without some severe degradation in his posting.
12. One Last Username - Null/Scum. His Lethal vote is pretty noteworthy, other than that it's the same old AM. For better or worse.
13. Big Man - Null. I remember he made some posts that were fine, but I don't have much to work with.
14. Ultra - Lean Scum. I do think there is a viable angle for him to be town, but there is too much posturing for my tastes. Probably lynched Day 3.
15. Arp Bladstrum - Lean Town. I don't see Arp having the boldness to commit to a posting gimmick like this as Scum, moreover I think there has been too many genuine attempts at solving for him to be faking it all. Fairly comfortable with this read.
16. Evans - Null/Scum. I struggle to find much of a reason to commit to a town read here. I don't think he's scum with Ultra, but when I think about other scenarios wherein I'm wrong so far, Evans comes to mind as a player I've looked over.
17. Dalton - Lean Scum. A lot of his content has struck me as surface level, and his choice of votes have left much to be desired. Could actually be scum with most players.
18. Yoshi - Null/Town. I don't see much attempt to actually play the game, and most of his posting is just going with the flow. It's going to be hard to get much of anything out of him. Think I will keep trying, with him staying firmly in the POE.
19. Doddsy - Lean Town. I've liked him so far, would like to see a bit more. Reads at a high-level were okay but shallow, he is getting a pass through the game.
20. Black Legged Dragon - Lean Scum. If Ultra is Scum I don't see how X isn't honestly. I've been trying to read him as town to not get myself pidgeon-holed into developing all scum reads from one, but some of his takes have been bizarre. Proposing RDK as a lynch option was more or less the final nail in this coffin. My expectation is that if Ultra is Scum, he is going to be heavily against him tomorrow if Ultra doesn't claim any hide targets. If Ultra is Town, I think X probably is just Town with him.
21. Hans Tweetenberg - Null. Meta reads on this guy seem to be all over the place. I did not like the "I would lynch me D1" argument. Quite liked how he started D2, though. Hopefully he gets his edge back again tomorrow.
22. Soulkiller - Indie/Null. Lazy analysis says he just needs Poyser dead or something. A Lyncher. Not sure I buy into that exactly, but his focus on easy-to-engage-with discussion points makes it hard to town read. He could be anything almost. Big day tomorrow for him.
23. Alco - Null. Sliding down the reads as the game goes on. I have generally liked his posts, but they're all so safe and easy it's hard to give him much credit for them. I think if I really must pick a side, I'd pick Town, but not with any degree of confidence.
So you're saying you think if you were roleblocked when gifting (by CP or Phenom's roles), you would lose the item altogether?Well no if I was blocked then I’d say it’s just disappeared. Both targets confirmed receiving the crafted items.
Well craft twice, gift twice, 2+2 is 4
Yea me neither to be honest. I'd assume he'd just hold on to the item, sort of speak.So you're saying you think if you were roleblocked when gifting (by CP or Phenom's roles), you would lose the item altogether?
That's not what I would have assumed at all so this interests me.
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