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Evans
Exceptional
I’m nowhere near a scum read on Lethal. I’ve just disagreed with the soft town lean as I think his behaviour thus far has been very non alignment indicative.
I think he’s had easy things put on the plate for him such as being able to agree he didn’t join the thread until the tag.
I see. Would it be fair to say, then, that your contention on this comes from wanting to disqualify a town read being given out that you disagree with, rather than to express any opinion on the alignment of the person in question? I'm a little confused as to why you feel like it's non-indicative after pointing out that Lethal appears to be doing exactly what was described as his scum play.
I mainly want to get an idea of how you approach this, so I know what baseline to hold you to. I believe this is the first game I've played with you in it (you did host one game over on Mafia Cult), so while I could see behaviour like attacking soft town reads without developing your own reads as possibly motivated by personality etc, it *is* something I would typically ascribe to scum.
Evans
Exceptional
I haven’t played with Lethal in a long time, I don’t think it makes sense to jump automatically to assuming it being his scum game from my perspective.
Why is it scummy to challenge reads? It’s very early in the game and Lethal hasn’t posted much substance in the form of discussion. Can you explain further why that would be attributed to scum behaviour?
Your question is a bit loaded here. I think it's scummy to challenge fairly weak town reads when you don't have any stake in them - for example, you don't outright disagree with the conclusion of those reads, just the underpinning logic of them. That comes across as looking to discredit town reads for the sake of it, which would obviously be in the interests of scum. I'll also add that there is more nuance to this, because it's not like you have even really disagreed with the logic of Poyser, you disagreed with his conclusion after applying his logic. Does that make more sense?
Evans
Exceptional
I don’t see any issue at all with understanding how someone got to a conclusion but disagreeing with the end result.
Evans
Exceptional
Further to this, the stage of the game and the context is brings is very important too. Creating discussion is a vital part of early game. I saw something I wanted to discuss and went for it. This has helped push the game on from the fluff posts.
RDK
Resplendent
You think he's being arrogant because of the quality of players he came here with, like trying to show he is one? Thats why he posted early?
Idk man just seems an oddly illogical conclusion to why a town read may not be appropriate. Like a pretty big reach haha
Correct me if I'm getting your thought process incorrect
Of course, but I have to ask - if you don't even really disagree with the end result (that being, Lethal = Town) then all that has been achieved is discrediting a town read on a player to put them back to Null... is there really any gain in doing this?
Evans
Exceptional
Sort of, yeah. It was a question more than a statement however!
The basis was that Lethal could be acting a bit more forward and not hiding if he is scum because he’s entering a new community where he can establish a new meta / position. Poyser mentioned that he has easy targets he likes to go for like Ekko & T-Pein. So my head logic doesn’t think it’s unreasonable that this could be true.
Yeah but he’d be showing arrogance towards them specifically is what I meant. I discarded the arrogance theory because he was interacting with me/you/alco/Doddsy which aren’t people he tends to display arrogance towards
The game is 5 hours old. Is fluff posting really a genuine concern you hold right now?
Evans
Exceptional
It’s created discussion and it’s how I like to approach games tbh. I’m not going to sit back and have a thought and hold onto it if it’s something I want to challenge or disagree with.
Evans
Exceptional
Yup. I work nights and this is my time to actually play & contribute
Evans
Exceptional
I did acknowledge at the start of this that it is entirely within reason this is just how you play. I'm happy to accept that, with the caveat that I will be holding you to this baseline.
That's fair. I am probably more used to/lenient towards fluff than you, too, given the [lack of] quality of communities I tend to play on.