Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[Ultra]

Hime thinks she can pass off a scum read on me by dropping a hot case on a player she was scum reading because...?

Let's see if her cute dough eyed act can get her out of this one

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

Oh nvm that was your read back then

Tell me tho, what has Gram done to be your greatest town read?

 

[Ultra]

@Evans why is Gram your strongest town read again?

Some bullshit about the power of friendship

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

Some bullshit about the power of friendship

Friendship is the strongest force in the universe

It's even stronger than Chuck Norris

 

[Ultra]

Vote lynch ultra

- Ultra - i take back my slight town, case on some players like gram were fine but he posts more and i just like him less... also i reread a bit of last eod and he just looks bad there

I have some serious reservations about this part of Hime's walls, because it's clear to me that st EoD she was already voting for me over T. She didn't "just read EoD and he looks bad there", she's full of shit. She is faking this thought process, because she already voted for me at end of the day, presumably because how I was acting. Why would she need to reread?

 

[Ultra]

For reference that vote I'm quoting is from the end of yesterday, it's not her current vote.

 

[Aurelian]

Vote Lynch: Grammaton​

Time to examine SoulKiller's entrance and content:

First post of the game, posts a gif and aims a random vote without reason in it to lynch vote Grammaton.

Any particular reason?

Another gif in response, low effort posting basically.
Not characteristic of Soul at all.

Grammaton, feels he is asking question without any resolution to solve a person slot really. Felt wishy washy him pinging people asking question. That sanity check he tried to pull on Evan felt fake, and some of his posts toward Ultra felt forced. Him also coming out openly and lowkey defending Fang by stating he is townie did not go unoticed, possible TMI tbh and felt like it came out of nowhere.

Kurumi been reactive this game, only posts when players ask her questions, that's atleast all her meaingfull posts were. Not good look.

Evans wallie he dropped on Ultra felt townie, geniune frustration. While going through that interaction I felt that Ultra was being very how to put it... Calm and collected, until he wasn't. Like he tried to be reasonable and have a civil discussion, and be open about him being wrong until he had enough and went complete offensive mode on the guy. I don't think he expected this pushback from Evans.

Cubey posts felt selective, as other mentioned easy picking.

Don't feel any anomousity/maliciousness from BLD.

Juliet read the thread, but nothing to note apparently. Very weird opening tbh.

Not sure if Fang tantrum is scummy or townie, I seen him do it more often as townie than scum so guts say more townie side. He mostly been on the defensive here really.

Yea, nothing else of note really. I am pretty comfortable with my vote on Gramm as of now.

Gives a post here explaining his earlier Grammaton vote and some players, namely myself + Grammaton, Kurumi, Evans, Cubey, BLD (BPD?), and Juliet. He basically claims Grammaton was wolfing and was pretending to play at solving and hunting scum, doesn't elaborate on how Grammaton's interactions with Ultra were at all 'forced' and apparently disliked the fact he was town reading myself, etc...

Fun fact here: almost no one agreed with Ultra's approach to me, Evans, or Gramma in day 1 being on the nose but somehow Soul was pushing this narrative for whatever agenda he had.

Then does a 180% from Grammaton's read on Evans, not that Grammaton was calling Evans scummy but that his aggression and pushback was NAI. Really a weak positional illusion of being a solving townie imo. Equally important is his shading on Juliet and her entrance into the game with her first proper post in the thread.

After a few posts later: here post #413 Hime decides to chime in that she liked Soul's vote and read on Grammaton.

So you made such opening because you noticed that some players like it? Interesting.

^This is after Juliet responds questioning why Soul disliked her entrance and early posts. Very blatant shading here.

so in other words... ur fully aware of (or thought u were aware of) how u will be perceived if u act a certain way and now question y u werent received as per what u expected?

This is after Soul's post: post #419 literally on the heels of his with Hime doing the exact same dance and interrogating on Juliet, pretty much in all but verbatim repeating Soul's shading on Juliet.

That's my observation regarding your slot from what I have seen. Each person is different and I am not here to tell you how you should try to solve the game. If you are townie eventually it should be transparent and I will pick up on it. As of now, you seem all over the place and nothing of furution out of it. Kinda going in circle somewat.



I am not following?



Put that more so on the malicious aspect of it. My conclusion is that it looks good on him in my book,. If you disagree then by all means go ahead and make a case.


Yes, because of how out of place it was. You didn't have to jump and lowkey defend him.

This is in response to Grammaton responding back to Soul's earlier post to him. Soul doesn't really give any reason or justification to why his reads aren't fair game to being construed as being TMI but somehow Gramma's are. Interestingly Gramma also noted how strange the timing and fixation on Joygirl was and just pretends like the question was going nowhere/confusing with fake pretense basically.

Soul also offers no real meaty reply to X/BPD's well known townie trait of getting into fights with other town players due to his aggression. Also says town reading me was out of place but again, nothing really tangible to actually base it on.

To add into this, I stated that it's a 'possible TMI', nothing concrete. That's how it felt to me while reading.

Immediately adds this as his follow up posts, implying to me he wasn't super confident in his posturing to Gramma.

So you’re not here to tell me how to solve the game, but you are going to tell me that you don’t like what I’m doing (which is asking questions to get a feel for people) because it’s all over the place (which is demonstrably untrue, there’s a clear logic to my posts which isn’t AI as I’d make sure it’s there as scum too, but still)

Why was my read of Aurelian out of place, I thought you weren’t telling me how to solve? Did he do anything between when I made that post and when you town read him that you particularly liked and if so, what was it? Otherwise, what you’re saying is going to look like premeditated nonsense isn’t it?

As for BPD, when you talk about maliciousness, what exactly are you referring to? Do you mean you don’t see him trying to set people up with dishonest logic or what?

Gramma's response:

This is odd, you are stuck up over my observation regarding you, then insisting you wanting me to tell you how to play the game? I don't get it. I feel like I explained my opinion regarding your slot very clearly. Sorry I have no energy to go on a long back and forth.



I am not telling you how to solve, not sure how you read that and assumed I am trying to tell you how to play? like what? I addressed my opinion regarding his slot, it's very clear what I stated, go back and read.




Like, his vibe, I feel like his posts are geniune and he isn't here faking anything. His back and forth with fang somewhat reminded me when I went back and forth with him last time I played with him.

Soul pretty much is on the defensive now; doesn't really offer alternatives or ways to rebuke much of want Grammaton is asking him in reply to his vote on Grammaton and reasons justifying it. In a very SKEWED sense it might be construed as a tactic that Soul was trying to possible pressure Gramma to get more information on him and readjust his read but to me it doesn't parse out that way. It seems way more like he bite on more than he could chew and was backing off to not get further tripped up here.

You’re misunderstanding me - your point is that you don’t want to tell me how to solve, but you’re happy to tell me that my method is somehow bad or lacking, or dare I say scummy?

We’re not exactly in long back and forth territory, and it’s all game reiated so what’s the problem? It’s a conversation, an essential component of a text based forum game and an opportunity for you to either check your assumptions or pressure me considering you’re ‘happy with your vote on me’, which suggests at least some level of suspicion?

For the avoidance of doubt, I don’t want you to tell me how to play - im already half decent at the game thanks. I want you to tell me why you object to what I’m doing when you have no desire to actually tell me what would be better for me to do

FWIW I’m inclined to agree BPD is likely town, I certainly wouldn’t wagon him today

^Gramma's response to Soul's last post.

Yes, obviously scummy otherwise I would not place my vote on you now would I? I don't wanna sound like a broken record, I addressed my problems regarding your slot and why I placed my vote on you.

No, not really but I am just drained, and I truly don't feel like going back and forth with anyone at the moment, it's 4am my time and I am just out of it right now. I addressed my thoughts I had so far reading and was pretty clear on my thoughts. Sorry if I feel like I am being dismissive. That's not my intentions.


I know you are decent at the game which is why I find it odd you are stuck up about me wanting to tell you what to do, like I want to see you react and progress to this naturally, when I dropped my vote I was hoping to gauge how you would react, but saw nothing when I got back on and elaborated on my thoughts, and I see no point in telling you what to do since what's the point of even trying to read you if that's the case? I want to see where eventually these interactions of yours will lead you, cause I feel you are putting on busy work with no progression, feels like you are doing it for the sake of doing it if it makes sense? I pointed out multiple points on issues I had with you this game so far so not sure why you are saying I am refusing to tell you why I don't particulary like what I seen from you so far.


Agreed.

Weakly repeats his earlier reasons for voting Grammaton and seeing him as scummy; doesn't give any real tangible evidence to support his stance, again regarding me or Grammaton. When Gramma continually questions on why Soul wants to disengage and he was feigning 'tiredness', Soul basically tries to snake out of it and says a bunch of nothing that goes nowhere on it, belatedly claiming he was trying to pressure Gramma for information.

Insecure posturing? Weak positioning for pressure? You decide, town.

This is the paragraph in question



The point I’m making is that you thought my read on him was out of place, so presumably something happened between you making that observation, and then you later also town reading Aurelian - if that’s not the case, why is my read any less valid than yours given we’re responding to the same body of evidence?

What’s particularly scummy about the way I’m playing in your eyes? Am I supposed to have solid conclusions already, about a quarter into day 1?

Answer when you’re rested and prepared to have a proper conversation, but I do expect it before this phase is over, which I think is reasonable

^Gramma's response

Good Morning or should I say Good afternoon everyone.



13 pages into the game, Ultra and BPD were going back and forth with Fang here, you on the other hand had minimal interaction with the guy and then dropped this post out of nowhere for me.




While reading it, it felt out of place. The interactions were still in the beginning phases and without no previous progress you dropped statement saying that you don't the dude is scum, lowkey defending him when it was not warranted at all. Now you might say you maybe wanted to test his reaction, but that's not how I saw it.

Now you are stating why I am town reading the dude, first of all I never really gave a clear solid town reading the guy. So that's just you misreading my post and assuming from your part, I said that I am not sure where if him throwing a tantrum is scummy or not, and that from experience with the guy he does it more so as townie than not so slight town lean if anything. I on the other hand did not interfer or meddle in interactions which in my opinion can muddy how accuratly you can guage players participating in such interactions.

Now, you are stating why your read on him is not valid while mine is. First of all, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that I am invalidating your read on the guy? Weird take tbh and I am not sure how you would come to such conclusion when I addressed my issue on how you went on about it and how it felt that it was out of nowhere. Like you are either purposly mixing up my initial read on you and making it seem like something else?



Again, I never stated that you should have solid conclusions, I don't expect anyone to have solid conclusions early on. I felt your interactions felt like it was basically doing busy work and felt some questions are being thrown there for no other than to ask for the sake of asking, couple of your interactions with Ultra pinged me that way. I also got pinged with your supposedly sanity check on Fang.









personally it pinged me as fake as trying to cover your tracks.

All in all, it lead me to place my vote on you and furthermore, now looking back at it I am not necessairly fan of you being adminant on insisting to tell you what to do or what to play, felt that was a hill you kept on going back to. I remember stating that you keep doing you and if you are townie I will pick up on it, clearly wanna see how you progress to validate my read on you. Telling a person what to do or what I expect them to do might give them ideas and there is honestly no point getting an accurate read in that case. I felt that my points were clear and precise and you were beating around the bush is my initial impression. I guess you might be looking at it from a lense to further discern the logic behind my thought process so not necessairly a bad thing. I do have a question for you though, what your stance regarding my slot here? I am hoping here this ain't just busy work from your end.


Now, who do you scum read exactly and town read? anyone particular ping you here?

This is Soul's response some pages later:

- he accuses Grammaton of having minimal involvement with me and again that his town read on me is basically TMI/scummy
- continues to argue that BPD can be town while misrepresenting literally everything he said about my interaction with Grammaton
- keeps throwing buzzwords that sound and seem like they are just there to fill space like saying Gramma's reads were 'out of place' on me and adds that he was gonna predict that Gramma would argue for testing me
- says Grammaton was pretending to solve and be busy for the sake of looking busy with interacting with other players
- again it follows on his earlier posts of weak pushes on Gramma's credibility and position then asks him for reads, going nowhere with this

Again, I’m not asking you on guidance for how to play, you’re missing the point of what I’m saying

Imagine working on a project, and someone says ‘your work is shit’ - is tat useful compared to ‘here’s how you could improve your work’?

That’s the point I’m making. If you’re going to tell me you don’t like my methods, fine, it’s a free country. But bring something better to the table. That’s all I’m saying

I think you are not getting where I am getting it and we are not reaching a sync in what each other is trying to convey, I stated what I didn't like, I addressed them, elaborate on them. It's called an observation for a reason, cause that's what pinged me. If my observations are off then I will pick up on it and readjust my opinion regarding an individual. Also, the observations is pretty clear cut really. I won't come here and tell you that I expect this, or that and it's def not as simple as a mere project where there is multiple phases going on into it and is not deciving by nature. Don't think that was a good comparision at all, people are different, they play differently and I gauge every player distinctively.

Weakly argues they are miscommunicating with each other and his words are being lost in translation, then tries to reassert his initial premise and position on why he scum-reads Gramma and me and why his vote is on Gramma. Almost all of his takes here are purely subjective and don't really do much for actual solving, only ironically bouncing back on the claim of "busy work" for his own pushes and reads.

Well then fine, I’m fine having votes on me, it’s the game after all

Circling back to tweet, I found his post regarding me to be bad, like the dude used me using a gid as a basis to throw shade my way. Little does he know that I have an entire gallery of gifs that are literally 2 seconds away from access and it's a mere copy pasta.

Lethal coming in with his usual aggressive tone attitude I liked and also liked his vote on tweet, brought something else to the table and gave other perspectives I feel like.

Hime, I honestly wanna give her a slight town read for now due to our mind meld, which always is a bit uncomfortable for me tbh but if a person has similar mind process as me it's usually a good thing because it means they are thinking straight.

Don't really have any concrete opinion about the rest yet, most all dancing around the null zone and noticed there is actually quite few members who did not contribute or post at all yet.

Seems unduly concerned about Tweet not town reading him and mindlessly likes Lethal's post. More succintly to the thread I'm following here, Hime, gets all the golden points from Soul. This whole "if they share my views they must be town" mindset seems really bullshit and just there to pad out his post in my eyes.

To elaborate on the last part, I mean that I don't have any concrete opinion about the players who I have not necessairly addressed yet, not that I only have reads on these 3 specific players.

lol

I feel like, maybe just maybe i might crack open few monster energy drinks later tonight and go wild.

Well we saw how this went.

 

[Odd]

Racism

Dude I literally can't be racist, I'm white

 

[Aurelian]

Game - Ranked - Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

K I think he's acting uncharacteristically defensive right now and its not something I usually see from him when he is town, so he is being suspicious enough to warrant keeping my vote on him. Its not necessarily a promise that it'll stick to him, I might move it to Evans later or someone else...

onelastforum.com

Post #382 in the thread from Hime:

Pay attention to who she's chasing and sussing here.

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

mate, you just said it's an eye for eye thing because of the Ultra question. You're all over the fucking shop here

And how is that AI for Fang?

 

[Aurelian]

Game - Ranked - Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

K I think he's acting uncharacteristically defensive right now and its not something I usually see from him when he is town, so he is being suspicious enough to warrant keeping my vote on him. Its not necessarily a promise that it'll stick to him, I might move it to Evans later or someone else...

onelastforum.com

Post #388

tweet gives me bad vibes too
im gonna add him to the scum pile with gram

Oh look at that she susses Tweet too

 

[Ultra]

Hime probably distancing with Gram there, it's ogre for the scum team.

 

[Aurelian]

his vote on himself also came AFTER T-Pein hammered and finalized the lynch
if both of u r going to buddy up and argue that my vote looks like shit bc i shouldve known t-pein was definitely the hammering vote, then u could argue that ultra shouldve known too considering he was in the thread much more than me, hence making him look far worse with this argument

T-Pein hammered himself
Your post came AFTER he hammered himself and after Ultra voted himself too silly girl, I don't know what your trying to prove here that you saying you were ignorant of T-Pein finishing his own hammer somehow absolves you of a weirdly timed lynch vote on Ultra when your main suspect in the entire day 1 was Gramma

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

Ultra is a scrapper from way back, a mafia purist and he gathers support as we speak. The insults aren't really insults, they're tools for him to steer conversations, control narratives and sway perceptions. You unfortunately have fallen in to his pace. If you scumread him you have to ignore everything he says and does. Treat him like he's already dead and the dead don't talk.

Like I don't care that's he trashed your gameplay, so forget about it as a case point because it kind of isn't a case point at all. Next up don't tell Ultra how scummy he is, he's staunch and won't be voting for himself. Tell everyone else instead, it's voters you need not an apology.

Now go forth and build your wagon to fly, make your case to win and do it all on your terms

Funny you should say Ultra isn't going to vote for himself when that's exactly what he did yesterday. It was after Pein was already hammered but still.

 

[Odd]

Don't know the thought process going on yesterday, I'd give Grammaton a town read.

 

[Ultra]

T-Pein hammered himself
Your post came AFTER he hammered himself and after Ultra voted himself too silly girl, I don't know what your trying to prove here that you saying you were ignorant of T-Pein finishing his own hammer somehow absolves you of a weirdly timed lynch vote on Ultra when your main suspect in the entire day 1 was Gramma

It was performative, she knew she was getting brownie points from diverting from a townie, and then she has the gal to imply she barely knew what was going on. Which actually looks worse, because it makes it more likely she had TMI as a direct consequence. I literally just caught her lying about not understanding how scummy I looked EoD, she had to know to drop that vote.

 

[Ultra]

Don't know the thought process going on yesterday, I'd give Grammaton a town read.

...Based on?

 

[Aurelian]

It was performative, she knew she was getting brownie points from diverting from a townie, and then she has the gal to imply she barely knew what was going on. Which actually looks worse, because it makes it more likely she had TMI as a direct consequence. I literally just caught her lying about not understanding how scummy I looked EoD, she had to know to drop that vote.

Not only that but T-Pein was hammered like a full 5-6 minutes before she made her vote and it doesn't remotely explain why she was so deadset on scum-reading and sussing Grammaton the whole game with Soul to suddenly pivot on you based off BPD's post

 

[Aurelian]

And how is that AI for Fang?

Whatchu you implying bird boy

 

[Ultra]

Funny you should say Ultra isn't going to vote for himself when that's exactly what he did yesterday. It was after Pein was already hammered but still.

I was putting my nuts on the table. They're too weak to get the job done.