Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[Hans Tweetenberg]

-1, don’t like the creation of a dichotomy this early

Do you disagree that Ultra and Evans are unlikely teammates from their interactions so far?

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

Ultra has 4 votes and Evans has 3 within the first two hours. The situation can always change later, but right now there's a clear division.

Errrr

The Ultra wagon was clearly in jest though, literally all of it

 

[Evans]

u voted me for less last game

i cant tell if u were just testing waters here asking what playstyle i was gna play as cuz i mean ultimately you read me as scum last game for that playstyle so idk how much will it help u if i played with the same style

also if i havent done anything to be read you can vote me to try to get me to do something

me having not done anything in itself already answers your question too. which is why it was busy work

Context is a great thing.

Yes, I was very wrong about you last game.

And yeah, I could have voted you - but I had no intention to, I was fluff posting and giving you some shit then went straight into a discussion with Ultra & Grammaton.

Busy work implies I was actively pushing or prodding your activity with game related intentions. It was fluff lad.

 

[Evans]

@Aurelian

can you elaborate on how I'm timid please?

All of your comments on me reek of aiming at low hanging fruit to appease the stronger players, but I'm not low hanging fruit son

 

[Ultra]

Finished work.

I'm reading the last bits but I'm confident with a

Vote Ultra

Initially, I thought his push on me had some genuine belief about it when I rated the votes on me per Odos request. But there's been some posts since that's got me reordering that list.

First, let's look at this lack of explanation from his chat with Odo & me about myself.









Holds me at a dramatically low standard of mafia player tier and he expects game solving in the fluff stage? Unreasonably high expectations considering at the level he sees me as, as a a player.

Now, when addressed about what exactly he's "pushing" myself and that's loose at best. A careful ISO & read will show it's a lot of puffed out chest and insults but not much actual solving against my posts.





I don't think this is too far astray from any other entrance posts into the game?









Let's look here now, I made a jab about Ekko spamming the thread, clearly fluffing but apparently vague and no direction. Which, tbf? The no direction comment is absolutely true. I was fluff posting whilst in work lmao. I even addressed this with my post saying "No, it's for my own mental health" after last game was a nice change with Ekko and not sifting through 2000 posts of spam.

But if it was a serious shade at Ekko, 30 posts into the game - then how is that lacking direction? It's a very odd comment to make when there was a targeted comment at another player and their meta.

The post that really got me thinking though, was this one:



The man, early game jumped into this level of exaggeration to suggest that I'm saying that he should make NO attempt at reading me when I challenged him knowing my meta. Considering the shit that just came out of him about me being a shit player and him being so much better. Why does such a gap in ability require such a vast exaggeration other than to make me look bad?

Look at the interaction here that lead to this comment:













Also, Ultra was town last game and was not this aggressive. I played that game too. Surely his behaviour would have been similar this game towards myself? Whilst post content makes a difference somewhat, the level of aggression that's been stepped up this game is VERY different.

It looks like he's taken some shitty fluff posts as an excuse to try and set me up for some shit whilst delivering very little content about why he's voting me and just talked down to me about his ability compared to mine.

I genuinely cannot find a thread here to help me understand how you're scum reading me.

You had some awkward entrance posts. I voted you. Gram came in and asked if it was too low of a bar, I said no.

If there's little content about why I'm voting you - that's categorical. Your thread exit was what, 100 posts in?

Then you ghost and waltz in here after a leave of absence with a case. Not sure what to make of that.

 

[Cubey]

It's pretty straightforward - I have already identified that he was giving undue defense to Dofla, and if there was a reasonable explanation for that he *should* claim there, if that was the explanation specifically

He doesn’t have to claim when he not even close to majority and there’s still over 24 hours left

Not defending him, just suspicious of anyone asking power roles to reveal pointlessly

 

[Evans]

I genuinely cannot find a thread here to help me understand how you're scum reading me.

You had some awkward entrance posts. I voted you. Gram came in and asked if it was too low of a bar, I said no.

If there's little content about why I'm voting you - that's categorical. Your thread exit was what, 100 posts in?

Then you ghost and waltz in here after a leave of absence with a case. Not sure what to make of that.

What was awkward about it?

My thread exit as per me opening post is because I was in work you fucking lettuce lmao.

And you look at my activity last game or the other games? It's common knowledge I work in a bar.

 

[Evans]

I genuinely cannot find a thread here to help me understand how you're scum reading me.

You had some awkward entrance posts. I voted you. Gram came in and asked if it was too low of a bar, I said no.

If there's little content about why I'm voting you - that's categorical. Your thread exit was what, 100 posts in?

Then you ghost and waltz in here after a leave of absence with a case. Not sure what to make of that.

You can't find a thread?

Your whole reason for voting me is "no direction, vague, I'm a very good player, he's shit"

It's not very kosher

 

[Ultra]

What was awkward about it?

My thread exit as per me opening post is because I was in work you fucking lettuce lmao.

And you look at my activity last game or the other games? It's common knowledge I work in a bar.

I'm saying, what sort of case do you expect me to have at the point in which you existed the thread? I'm not accusing you of sucking due to pressure, I'm saying who are you trying to to convince that my case was lacking in elaboration? It couldn't possibly be that elaborate.

You can't find a thread?

Your whole reason for voting me is "no direction, vague, I'm a very good player, he's shit"

It's not very kosher

My reason for voting you was because you made a comment around Ekko that I thought was awkward in that it didn't really serve to solve his alignment.

The good player/bad player thing really only entered the discussion because of Gram basically asking me if I thought you deserved more credit than to vote you for the reason I did.

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I'll cut to the chase here - by your own admission, most of your posts were fluff/no substantive. Then after you started receiving some pressure, I thought you sounded a bit nervous by calling your wagon scummy when your only scum read was Gram, and then your treatment of him also was confusing.

So, given what you've posted is by your own admission not very good, why do I have to be scum off suspecting you, exactly?

 

[Evans]

You've got me for 20 mins before I go to bed and do another long day tomorrow.

Come on @Ultra. Apparently I've been ducking and diving and ghosting you like all of your Tinder matches.

Talk to me

 

[Evans]

:slip:

too late with that post

 

[Evans]

I'm saying, what sort of case do you expect me to have at the point in which you existed the thread? I'm not accusing you of sucking due to pressure, I'm saying who are you trying to to convince that my case was lacking in elaboration? It couldn't possibly be that elaborate.



My reason for voting you was because you made a comment around Ekko that I thought was awkward in that it didn't really serve to solve his alignment.

The good player/bad player thing really only entered the discussion because of Gram basically asking me if I thought you deserved more credit than to vote you for the reason I did.

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I'll cut to the chase here - by your own admission, most of your posts were fluff/no substantive. Then after you started receiving some pressure, I thought you sounded a bit nervous by calling your wagon scummy when your only scum read was Gram, and then your treatment of him also was confusing.

So, given what you've posted is by your own admission not very good, why do I have to be scum off suspecting you, exactly?

What level of fucking solving do you expect from post #43 and my third post of the game? When it's clearly cracking a joke about his spam which is a very common thing that's discussed on this forum and in the Discord? Enough to make him change his meta last game?

 

[Aurelian]

@Aurelian

can you elaborate on how I'm timid please?

All of your comments on me reek of aiming at low hanging fruit to appease the stronger players, but I'm not low hanging fruit son

Why would I care to appease anyone whose a "stronger" player? I'm just going with my gut that you seem off from your start in the last game to compare this and then with each other. Do you think I missed on something and misread you?

 

[Evans]

Why would I care to appease anyone whose a "stronger" player? I'm just going with my gut that you seem off from your start in the last game to compare this and then with each other. Do you think I missed on something and misread you?

I've not said I'm a stronger player lmao

I said I'm not low hanging fruit.

Why am I timid?

 

[Evans]

What level of fucking solving do you expect from post #43 and my third post of the game? When it's clearly cracking a joke about his spam which is a very common thing that's discussed on this forum and in the Discord? Enough to make him change his meta last game?

In fact @Ultra, you're giving me shit about being vague and not solving and that's enough for you to scum read me.

Can you show me your early game solving in the first 100 posts? Other than your weak ass push on me about being a better player?

 

[Ultra]

What level of fucking solving do you expect from post #43 and my third post of the game? When it's clearly cracking a joke about his spam which is a very common thing that's discussed on this forum and in the Discord? Enough to make him change his meta last game?

I didn't say you have to solve, but if you make observations, or contribute, I expect them to be more coherent or relevant. That post was neither.

 

[Ultra]

In fact @Ultra, you're giving me shit about being vague and not solving and that's enough for you to scum read me.

Can you show me your early game solving in the first 100 posts? Other than your weak ass push on me about being a better player?

I've talked about you, I've talked about Aurelian, and I've talked about Dofla

You're free to criticize that, just don't pretend our contributions are remotely equivalent, nor am I reading you by comparing our contributions side by side anyway, because I basically always do more than you, so that's irrelevant.

 

[Aurelian]

I've not said I'm a stronger player lmao

I said I'm not low hanging fruit.

Why am I timid?

I didn't say or imply you were calling yourself that

I think you implied I was trying to make myself do busywork by making a couple posts saying you seemed weaker/timid earlier in the game

Not sure how you address yourself as low hanging fruit here honestly

 

[Evans]

My reason for voting you was because you made a comment around Ekko that I thought was awkward in that it didn't really serve to solve his alignment.

Vague entrance post that doesn't really drive at anything, hasn't placed a vote on Ekko

I'm saying if this is something I could expect from you as an element of your play, I could possibly hold out a bit more and see what you're cooking. That's what Gram is getting at with the "low bar" question.

All 3 posts here are you criticising my lack of direction and game solving early in the thread.

I didn't say you have to solve, but if you make observations, or contribute, I expect them to be more coherent or relevant. That post was neither.

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Evans]

I didn't say or imply you were calling yourself that

I think you implied I was trying to make myself do busywork by making a couple posts saying you seemed weaker/timid earlier in the game

Not sure how you address yourself as low hanging fruit here honestly

So why the shade about me saying about being a "stronger player" - where did that come from?