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Ratchet said:
I think we are going in circles here. He said to do either one thing, or the other. The point of my post was to say, the "other" was nonsense. Nothing more. It was not to imply the first part didn't exist, either. Hence why I said, I should have been more selective about what I quoted, to better represent what it was that I was responding to.
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I agree, the other would be nonsense, but it's odd that you've taken that and presented it in isolation when doing so just misrepresents his point.

His point was that if it can't be explained thoroughly then meta should be left out, but he didn't suggest that it should be left out in isolation.

If he had done then I'd be agreeing with you not questioning your intent.
 
Yeah he said PGO is one of the few roles he's willing to claim since it's harmful to town. Where's the punchline?

I guess it's that T-Pein would be overly concerned about hurting Town but that just seems more like a reason he's scum lol
 
Poyser said:
No, if he claims cop it would take him off the chopping block?

whatever use his role would provide is obviously rendered null if he is LYNCHED which is where he’s heading right now. That’s why blanket not claiming attitudes are dumb af

if he is cop then obviously unfortunate, but the doc should ALWAYS protect the outed cop no matter his opinion on whether he’s valuable enough to save or not.
He’s been given a chance to prove himself without claiming and he’s failed, so he needs to claim or he’s just gonna get lynched
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CHOPPING BLOCK FOR SCUM KILL

you cannot ensure the doctor will protect the outed cop if the player (fang) consistently and continuously paints themselves as scum

there is no guarantee fang is going to turn around and not dig a deeper hole for himself. theoretically if the doc keeps seeing this behavior, and feels far more confident someone else is town, they'll more than likely protect their more confident read
youre assuming all docs operate on a unverisal baseline. but it depends on the player. when i was doc, i would protect people i town read over someone who freed themselves from a lynch after 80 gazillion pages over how they're not scum
but with the player i viewed as town, i had chosen to protect because i was extremely confident they were (gogeta). it depends on what should be prioritized

the fact fang is getting heat this early on may be indicative of needing protection if he claims. or it could mean the would be lynch was misdirected to another player using pressure and other logistics. if there's a player, let's say you, who the doc theoretically reads as town and feels you're incredibly beneficial to the game despite not having as much heat on them, they don't know if scum will go after fang or poyser. logically, they'd protect poyser in the case poyser was onto something, and use fang to distract from the thread and let him hang around as a scummy read if he's town

there are ways scum can use fang to their advantage, and there are different methods and players that docs might feel more willing to protect if they feel the cost of losing them is high VS the cost of losing fang is low
 
Ratchet said:
As far as Aurelian is concerned, not to be contrarian but if he is known as Fang, there is a Fang on another site I and a few others play on that plays *almost exactly* like this. His posts are impossible to decipher and it often feels like he exists on a different plane than the rest of us. He did lean into this in one recent scum game I've seen, there was a clear plan to follow and he spent all day arguing around it. I could see him playing like that as both town and scum, I just don't think there will be much value in trying to engage with him about his post content - you have better chance of drawing blood from stone.
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i agree with this. knowing that he is fang changes the perspective of his response a bit

fang has spent days defending a single point as town

and ive seen him be completely inactive and only reply to posts suspecting him - also as town

i have only seen him as scum in a game im hosting so my perspective is not from player PoV but i can say he was more aggressive as scum than town
 
RDK said:
You've literally just changed his entire post:

"the locals are not going to be able to keep up with the meta reads you ws folks are using. probably need to define the meta reads more or not use them all together" doesn't equate to what you've just turned it into at all lmfao

What are you doing
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it's literally saying the same thing, just me paraphrasing in a more verbose way

how are you interpreting what he's saying?

@Ekkologix can you clarify? without being a condescending anus
 
Retrolize said:
it's literally saying the same thing, just me paraphrasing in a more verbose way

how are you interpreting what he's saying?

@Ekkologix can you clarify? without being a condescending anus
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But it's literally not what he said.

He said they should be expanded upon for the benefit of players that are less familiar or not used at all.
 
Aurelian said:
I think this is kind of a very weak cop-out on Yoshi being suspicious and hand-waving it off with him being a newbie in mafia to just give the guy the benefit of doubt. Attacks one player and weakly tries to press on them by suggesting RDK was deflecting from any pressure on him (when there was none) to have his engagement with me, then for no real discernible reason, switches on another (me)in the start of the game coming off incredibly suspicious and opportunistic tends to be a fairly obvious, if bad, scummy play style for them.

He doesn't seem like he's playing to establish more so then help misdirect a potential lynch.
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so u suggest yoshi is scum?
 
Retrolize said:
CHOPPING BLOCK FOR SCUM KILL

you cannot ensure the doctor will protect the outed cop if the player (fang) consistently and continuously paints themselves as scum

there is no guarantee fang is going to turn around and not dig a deeper hole for himself. theoretically if the doc keeps seeing this behavior, and feels far more confident someone else is town, they'll more than likely protect their more confident read
youre assuming all docs operate on a unverisal baseline. but it depends on the player. when i was doc, i would protect people i town read over someone who freed themselves from a lynch after 80 gazillion pages over how they're not scum
but with the player i viewed as town, i had chosen to protect because i was extremely confident they were (gogeta). it depends on what should be prioritized

the fact fang is getting heat this early on may be indicative of needing protection if he claims. or it could mean the would be lynch was misdirected to another player using pressure and other logistics. if there's a player, let's say you, who the doc theoretically reads as town and feels you're incredibly beneficial to the game despite not having as much heat on them, they don't know if scum will go after fang or poyser. logically, they'd protect poyser in the case poyser was onto something, and use fang to distract from the thread and let him hang around as a scummy read if he's town

there are ways scum can use fang to their advantage, and there are different methods and players that docs might feel more willing to protect if they feel the cost of losing them is high VS the cost of losing fang is low
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Do you think scum would rather kill the cop or the person you personally most think is town? You should be protecting who you think scum want to kill. That is the universal baseline lol. Scum don’t want the cop around. If he claims cop and isn’t counterclaimed then you can safely assume he is town in 99% of cases and has an incredibly useful role that needs to be protected and scum would love to get rid of
 
Black Legged Dragon said:
Well you're assuming I'm some sort of newb here. You ask this condescending questions like I don't know this game. If Poyser wants to soft town read Lethal early in the game, fine, do that and leave it. But he didn't do that. He tried to give a lengthy explanation about Lethal's meta. Then he later tried to say he did it all in the name of pushing the game forward. These three thought processes Poyser has had, I feel is somewhat contradictory.
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shudnt this atleast make u have evans somewhat a town read then by association vs poyser
 
Poyser said:
I don’t think this is based on reality. I said I had him a soft Town lean and then asked alco specifically what he thought of that and engaged others on it as well. I didn’t just say I had a soft town lean then start over explaining the read lol, it was all part of discussion. I cut it in the bud when I thought lethal had been talked about enough

Let me ask you a question. Why would I stop the discussion and say I was just doing it to move the game forward if all I was looking to do was establish standing as you say? Seems counter productive to that goal really. It’s not like I was getting pressure for talking about him and then decided to excuse why I was talking about him. I stopped and said why I did it of my own accord again, so the game could move on
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do u have scum reads other than aurelian atm?
 
RDK said:
But it's literally not what he said.

He said they should be expanded upon for the benefit of players that are less familiar or not used at all.
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okay i misinterpreted the expansion part

but i for sure did not misinterpret "or not use them altogether"
 
Aurelian said:
[Vote Lynch Yoshi]

Explained before but he comes off too inconsistent, wish-washy, and oppurtunistic for my liking and his interjection with my exchange vis a vis with RDK isn't endearing me anymore to the idea of him being trustable.

Poyser also bears watching as well like Ultra has suggested.
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my only issue with yoshi is how he instantly believes the other players this game, but i reckon a newbie scum wud atleast read the game before making risky takes like saying RDK is deflecting
 
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