The X
Marvelous
Fia.
Rugrat
Caldust
Thoughts on Ultra… or the rest of play?
The X
Marvelous
I mean, I'm asking why you scum read him. Please don't turn this around on me.
Why do you scum read Soul?
Evans doesn't need to be scum. I think he hasn't been charitable with me.
Also, shame on you for your betrayal. Never joining TSA again.
The X
Marvelous
Except we don't know what happened with the faction kill N1. And there's something that happened N2 that I didn't realize until now might be connected to that as well.
It's not really - it was to make an argument that I had not yet seen made.
Right, because most of your defence would have been "that's not what I meant".
If you think I wanted to spare myself an extended back and forth, then you're really not as familiar with my play as you think you are. It's quite simple really. I had noticed behaviour I wanted to call attention to, and I wanted to do it properly in the form of a case. The day started about halfway through my work day, so I couldn't really start there. I got back and after eating etc, ended up going to sleep. I woke up in the middle of the night, and then a few hours later got started on putting it together. That took about 2-3 hours in total. Not once did the thought "I really need to not give Ultra a chance to defend himself here" cross my mind.
As for reads, here is what I wrote up over the night:
1. Lethal - Lean Town. Should be resolved if Ultra is Town.
3. Rugrat - Null/Town. Don't have much to read from, even if he is broadly in agreement.
4. Phenom - Null. Haven't given his slot due consideration. Could be a blind spot.
5. Retrolize - Lean Town. I think some of her thought processes have been very genuine.
6. Ekko - Null/Town. He's losing stock but I don't want to hold his absence against him.
8. RDK - Lean Town. Looked pretty organic vs Aurelian, Ekko's incessant tunnel is giving me pause. Not because I think Ekko looks townie, I'm struggling to see his angle. Will need to see how his Day 3 holds.
9. TPein - Lean Scum. Who really knows with T-Pein, I think he has had some degree of manipulativeness. Think his flip is going to be needed eventually.
10. Poyser - Indie. Generally suspect he's probably harmful, but I don't have any real reason to get rid of him right now. He was heavily town read without claiming Indie, so he could just be telling the truth.
11. CraigPelton - Lean Town. His character claim is probably needed sooner or later, I do think it would be very bold of Scum to claim to be responsible for stopping all attacks. Will see how tonight unfolds, but probably not too interested in re-evaluating without some severe degradation in his posting.
12. One Last Username - Null/Scum. His Lethal vote is pretty noteworthy, other than that it's the same old AM. For better or worse.
13. Big Man - Null. I remember he made some posts that were fine, but I don't have much to work with.
14. Ultra - Lean Scum. I do think there is a viable angle for him to be town, but there is too much posturing for my tastes. Probably lynched Day 3.
15. Arp Bladstrum - Lean Town. I don't see Arp having the boldness to commit to a posting gimmick like this as Scum, moreover I think there has been too many genuine attempts at solving for him to be faking it all. Fairly comfortable with this read.
16. Evans - Null/Scum. I struggle to find much of a reason to commit to a town read here. I don't think he's scum with Ultra, but when I think about other scenarios wherein I'm wrong so far, Evans comes to mind as a player I've looked over.
17. Dalton - Lean Scum. A lot of his content has struck me as surface level, and his choice of votes have left much to be desired. Could actually be scum with most players.
18. Yoshi - Null/Town. I don't see much attempt to actually play the game, and most of his posting is just going with the flow. It's going to be hard to get much of anything out of him. Think I will keep trying, with him staying firmly in the POE.
19. Doddsy - Lean Town. I've liked him so far, would like to see a bit more. Reads at a high-level were okay but shallow, he is getting a pass through the game.
20. Black Legged Dragon - Lean Scum. If Ultra is Scum I don't see how X isn't honestly. I've been trying to read him as town to not get myself pidgeon-holed into developing all scum reads from one, but some of his takes have been bizarre. Proposing RDK as a lynch option was more or less the final nail in this coffin. My expectation is that if Ultra is Scum, he is going to be heavily against him tomorrow if Ultra doesn't claim any hide targets. If Ultra is Town, I think X probably is just Town with him.
21. Hans Tweetenberg - Null. Meta reads on this guy seem to be all over the place. I did not like the "I would lynch me D1" argument. Quite liked how he started D2, though. Hopefully he gets his edge back again tomorrow.
22. Soulkiller - Indie/Null. Lazy analysis says he just needs Poyser dead or something. A Lyncher. Not sure I buy into that exactly, but his focus on easy-to-engage-with discussion points makes it hard to town read. He could be anything almost. Big day tomorrow for him.
23. Alco - Null. Sliding down the reads as the game goes on. I have generally liked his posts, but they're all so safe and easy it's hard to give him much credit for them. I think if I really must pick a side, I'd pick Town, but not with any degree of confidence.
If you don't see, it's because of your refusal to see. I addressed your case in brief but it was eclipsed by my claim and the following discussion. I think Ekko is town and sees my interactions as also town because Fang was clearly trying to bargain with the both of us.
Honestly, the fact that you were at least in a lukewarm position regarding Fang, and don't see that perspective, is eh
I asked for your reads list, by the way, because I had noticed you were focusing on a very narrow set of players throughout the game, so this should be conductive to figuring out where you're really at.
OLU was almost certainly modkilled. If you read the thread you should be able to pick up on why that is. Poyser I think was through mech - if someone could remove the concept of Hatred, maybe healing him or whatever, he would instantly die.
Given what I know you're working with, I don't believe for a second you think that this needs to be a focus of yours right now.
The X
Marvelous
No, I never said I would be happy about it. I said that if it was between a no lynch and an Ultra vote, I'd vote Ultra, because I think that provided us information. When Ultra came back and defended himself, as well as town being able to come to some sort of plan to maximize Ultra's claim, that really made me not want to vote Ultra. I didn't mind the CFD attempts at EOD because I thought we could still get a chance at more info.
I suppose there can be an argument made to leave Poyser as a target scum has to take out. But I also think that trying to CFD a harmful indie when no lynch is the other option isn't a terrible route either.
Cool.
The X
Marvelous
I never voted you!
Not particularly.
Evans
Acclaimed
Whilst it wasn’t the worst idea, it’s definitely a wagon to analyse because Poyser mentioned multiple times his goal is wipe out the Golden Order.
Big Man
Illustrious
I haven't liked BPD's play tbh. just scum read poyser from the start off fairly weak reasoning which didn't make much sense to me and seemed to stick to it throughout despite all the things that followed in the game such as poyser starting the lynch on the only flipped scum.
there's this post which says its likely aurelian and posyer aren't a team but he kept pushing him as scum after aurelian flipped. he agreed with poyser on lethal as well but he seemed to want to stick to his scum read on poyser no matter what. this is obviously something i'd accosiate with scum because removing scum reads gives you less content to fake scumhunt with.
T-Pein™
The Nexus
- Pronouns
- They/Them
What?
I think if mafia wanted him gone then his cfd would had been achieved.
Town vigged him.
Unless town vigged the afk OLU
And mafia killed poyser.
Tmi from u?
Would host let us know if olu is a modkill?