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Dalton said:
I read the tl;dr, i think your analysis relies a lot on big man being an average-to-below-average player who made simple, badly hidden mistakes. That's the opposite of Big Man - as much as he hates me and likes to rip me on discord I have to admit he's a very good mafia player and smart dude so I think you're reading into shit too much. Also need to bare in mind he posted very sporadically so there wasn't any real estate for him to articulate how he came to change his opinion - and if he had done that, i would say it is overthinking scum who does that.
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so u agree that the content is scummy but saying its too scummy for an experienced player. okay well thats what i have from him so im going to scum read him for it. experienced players make mistakes too lol

im working towards a PoE here. if its not bigman then who is it?

lets have a checklist of players and solve one by one to reach a concentual PoE. we have struggled to form one PoE this game and thats not good
 
in case of "but ur being mainly town read"
press X for doubt when you have people randomly creating lynches in an attempt for it to gain traction

actually it happened day 1
i think i keep forgetting fang is still likely coaching. there was suspicions from me (understandable) and people were down for a lynch on me
but it mysteriously stopped being a topic of discussion, which has actually happened to yoshi
it's easy for me to make noise and view people pointing fingers or trying to shield themselves from accountability

is it because im LHF that ultimately serves a purpose to scum? how many players are LFH, and how do we think fang would coach in order to weaponize my ISOs and play style against town?
do we think scum is coasting or are they all active participants in the thread? is it a mix? what percentages if so?
 
Ekkologix said:
so u agree that the content is scummy but saying its too scummy for an experienced player. okay well thats what i have from him so im going to scum read him for it. experienced players make mistakes too lol

im working towards a PoE here. if its not bigman then who is it?

lets have a checklist of players and solve one by one to reach a concentual PoE. we have struggled to form one PoE this game and thats not good
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as i said i only read the tl;dr so I don't know if what you're saying is technically even accurate, and I've got no desire to go back and iso his posts lol.

If he is doing complete 180s without explaining it like you say then that is too blatant for Big Man imo.
 
Retrolize said:
in case of "but ur being mainly town read"
press X for doubt when you have people randomly creating lynches in an attempt for it to gain traction

actually it happened day 1
i think i keep forgetting fang is still likely coaching. there was suspicions from me (understandable) and people were down for a lynch on me
but it mysteriously stopped being a topic of discussion, which has actually happened to yoshi
it's easy for me to make noise and view people pointing fingers or trying to shield themselves from accountability

is it because im LHF that ultimately serves a purpose to scum? how many players are LFH, and how do we think fang would coach in order to weaponize my ISOs and play style against town?
do we think scum is coasting or are they all active participants in the thread? is it a mix? what percentages if so?
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forgot to finish thought

happened to yoshi and I'm not sure what that should tell me*
 
Ekkologix said:
@Black Pegged Dragon u r the hardest slot for me to read right now. i think u could be an indie because lots of what u r doing dont fit town profile or join our solving PoE

also i really disliked ur EoD post on aurelion with the vote. looks like an awful excuse to just vote the guy
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I am town. Maybe I don't fit town narrative because town narrative has been wrong?

Why? I thought Fang could have been indie and I've seen him blow up and botch simple shit as town. Definitely wanted to lynch scum instead of indie D1, but there was no way I was going to let Fang go if the other option was no lynch.

I think both my play around Fang and Ultra have been townie. I was reluctant on both but ended up voting Fang near hammer and would have done the same for Ultra (D2 is wagon stalled out, D3 he was hammered when I wasn't around). Despite being uncomfortable with the lynches in the table, I still pushed forward for info and town's benefit.
 
Black Pegged Dragon said:
D2
Ultra Wagon: Lethal (Ultra), Arp (Poyser), Rugrat (Poyser), Tweet (Ekko) Evans (Ekko), Ratchet (Ultra), RDK (Ultra), Yoshi (Poyser), Alco (Ultra), Phenom (Poyser)
Non-Ultra Voters: BLD (Lethal-Poyser), TPein (Lethal-Poyser), Soulkiller (Lethal), Ekko (Lethal), CP (BPD), Doddsy (BPD)
Poyser Voters (For Reference): Phenom, Ultra, BLD, Tpein, Arp, Yoshi, Rugrat, Evans

So in D2, Ultra's wagon got to 11/12 needed votes. Out of those ten, only four stayed on Ultra until the end of D2 (Lethal, Ratchet, RDK, and Alco, who joined late on the Ultra wagon). Only five players did not place a vote on Ultra at EOD (BLD, Tpein, Soul, Ekko, Doddsy). Ratchet is confirmed town while Tweet has a mech confirm on his VT. I believe Arp and Yoshi are town based on reads (don't think anyone is really reading them otherwise). That leaves us six names on the Ultra wagon.

*Ratchet's case on Ultra came on post 4248 and the first vote is Lethal's at post 4290
**Poyser was the sixth vote on Ultra's wagon, but I didn't include him because he's dead harmful indie
***Should be noted, we got a VC when Lethal had eight votes and Ultra has six votes. Motivation might change seeing the actual VC in thread
****Ultra claims at post 4526 while L-2.
*****Poyser unvotes making it L-3 late in the day. This is where the wagon finally stalls out.

Scum POE: Lethal, Rugrat, Evans, RDK, Phenom, Alco
Lethal: Admittedly, in a world where Lethal is scum, he can only be the GF. While this is still possible, and I think it might just be, it is a bit of a lower percentage. Lethal was first on Ultra's wagon 42 posts after Ratchet's case.

Rugrat: Really jumped on Ultra's wagon without warning. Third on it.
- Rugrat was the the first to jump off Ultra's wagon, similarly without another word said. Put Ultra at L-3
- Comes back into play to drop the eleventh vote on Ultra and put him at L-1. I think that with his constant posts asking for time, he would have been aware of being close to hammering Ultra
- Rugrat also tried to angle shoot Ultra hard by posting a screenshot of Gram saying he hated hiders. Dirty trick and then Rugrat claims to not know what angle shoot means later
- This boy literally unvotes and makes it L-2. Feels like he's scared to be near hammer and wants to claim he was wary.

Evans: Fifth on the wagon but does justify it. Went from going at Lethal D1, coming around to Lethal's town meta, then votes Ultra with Lethal. Interesting progression to note.
- Second to jump off the wagon after it stalls for good and votes Ekko

RDK: Eighth vote on the wagon, so L-4 away from hammer. RDK would know this because the VC is a couple of posts above his and RDK voted Ultra immediately after Ratchet did and did not say anything.
- I think this is a pretty bad vote because he just drops it close to hammer and says nothing around Ultra's slot. RDK drops a reason on why he voted Ultra

Phenom: Tenth vote and putting Ultra at L-2. Was he convinced enough by Ratchet's case? I don't know. Was quick to move to Poyser when Ultra stalled out.
- After the wagon stalls, Phenom jumps off and votes Ekko

Alco: Ask who to vote for on post 4469 and on post 4504 RDK said Ultra. Alco comes in and votes for Ultra on post 4609 to put Ultra back at L-2. I find this fairly suss on both parties. RDK, who said he wasn't wary of Ultra until late, feels comfortable enough directing Alco, who hasn't been around and seemingly doesn't care about almost hammering a townie. Feels bad.


Town Claims (Ratchet, Tweet)
Tweet: Fourth on the wagon with no reason.
- Tweet did seem to have some concern about how quickly Ultra's wagon picked up
- Tweet bringing up caution around the speed of the wagon again

Ratchet: Seventh vote** on Ultra. No surprise there about being happy with a wagon being off his case.


Town Reads (Arp, Yoshi)
Arp: Voted Ultra out of the blue without any real reason leading into it and was the second vote on the wagon.
- Unvotes Ultra

Yoshi: Ninth vote on Ultra, putting him at L-3. Yoshi was pretty weird around this saying scum was bussing Ultra? I guess maybe he meant that it felt like there was scum on Ultra's push. He says suss stuff at times, but I think he's still just newbie.


Honestly the ones coming out the worst for their votes are Rugrat, RDK, and Alco.


Non-Ultra Voters (BLD, Tpein, Soul, Ekko, CP, Doddsy
BLD: I voted for Lethal and then ended up on Poyser. I never did want an Ultra vote other than to move the on with the game. Never did vote for him and thought he was pretty townie in D3.

TPein: Voted Lethal initially and never moved his vote until it went on Poyser. He did vote for Ultra D3 (I have to reread why). Definitely could be scum thinking they're not needed on the wagon.

Soulkiller: Voted Lethal after he read me and Ultra's case on him. He was busy IRL during this time.

Ekko: Voted Lethal and missed EOD.

CP: Voted for me. If we believe his claim, he's just town here.

Doddsy: Voted for me and I thought to read the whole thread and come to that conclusion, it was weak. Didn't move his vote off of me.


I think Tpein and Doddsy were the two worse of the non-Ultra voters.



For reference as well, here are the voters of Ultra's mislynch.

CP, Rugrat, RDK, Alco, Phenom, Tpein, Evans, Lethal, Doddsy, Arp, Big Man, Ratchet

CP, Tpein, Doddsy, and Big Man are the new voters.
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i will read after work

really hope u r town BLD. im planning to solve entire game today
 
RDK said:
Why would Alco be watcher lol? How do you suppose he cleared a VT claim as a watcher
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I agree. Ekko speculated he was watcher, not me
 
in theory if alco turns out to be a scumboi that should put BPD on the table but I don't think as a team they'd use Alco to take pressure off BPD so BPD isn't a big concern for me either way.
 
CraigPelton said:
I agree. Ekko speculated he was watcher, not me
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i agree. i am speculating he CANT be one

u have a bad habit of twisting posts actually

my point regarding him being a watcher is him being rolewatcher and using that as a way to clear tweet

he cant be tracker if dalton is tracker
 
Ekkologix said:
i agree. i am speculating he CANT be one

u have a bad habit of twisting posts actually

my point regarding him being a watcher is him being rolewatcher and using that as a way to clear tweet

he cant be tracker if dalton is tracker
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The post I saw didn't say rolewatcher bruh, pretty big difference there
 
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