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Fate/Mafia - Game Thread
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Day 2
The first night came to an end, with more lives lost. Strangely, though, none could identify who it actually was that had died.
The second day began.
Ekkologix (???) was killed.
It is Day 2.
With 19 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
Countdown
The second day began.
Ekkologix (???) was killed.
It is Day 2.
With 19 alive, it is 10 to lynch.
Countdown
Kurumi
Preeminent
Janitor kill... 
I´m still upset about the outcome of last day tbh.
Me: Trying to solve it logical, warning everyone when T-Pein had 10 votes and giving him the chance to claim
T-Pein: "Leroy Jenkins!!!" *suiciding into his own lynch by selfhammering*
Stuff like this is why mafia has a way higher winning rate than town! It was far from being over. Why the hell could he not claim but instead get himself killed by selfvoting? This bullshit is just outright gamethrowing!
Vote lynch Juliet
I´m still upset about the outcome of last day tbh.
Me: Trying to solve it logical, warning everyone when T-Pein had 10 votes and giving him the chance to claim
T-Pein: "Leroy Jenkins!!!" *suiciding into his own lynch by selfhammering*
Stuff like this is why mafia has a way higher winning rate than town! It was far from being over. Why the hell could he not claim but instead get himself killed by selfvoting? This bullshit is just outright gamethrowing!
Vote lynch Juliet
Evans
Exceptional
Have some notes typed up from last night, they aren't particularly organized and may or may not be easy to follow, just going to dump them and get em out here
ty for game.
Evans
Exceptional
One thing I wanted to reply to but needed to ask you first, why was I your first thought/target when discussing T-Pein potentially flipping town
Juliet
Illustrious
Tweet shaded me and I confronted him for not wanting to engage with me, he said he doesn't have to engage with me which means there was no genuine solving, it looked like he misrepped me, was getting in an argument with Ultra at the same time, and we eventually engaged with each other.
Kurumi said Tweet looks good for being genuine while I look worse. I saw it scummy how Kurumi did not give thoughts on Tweet's post where it looked like he misrepped me that made me scum read him and for Kurumi to have an opinion on me she would have first need to have an opinion on Tweet's post I talked about. This looked like to me Kurumi was fabricating her post because there was no progression on her thought process about Tweet and me. I have asked her to respond to 2 of my posts and she avoids them. It was scummy when Kurumi sheeped T-Pein for saying I tried to save a scummate.
Kurumi said Tweet looks good for being genuine while I look worse. I saw it scummy how Kurumi did not give thoughts on Tweet's post where it looked like he misrepped me that made me scum read him and for Kurumi to have an opinion on me she would have first need to have an opinion on Tweet's post I talked about. This looked like to me Kurumi was fabricating her post because there was no progression on her thought process about Tweet and me. I have asked her to respond to 2 of my posts and she avoids them. It was scummy when Kurumi sheeped T-Pein for saying I tried to save a scummate.
Multi-ISO of Gram/Kurumi
This includes most of Kurumi’s posts and some of Gram’s. The only thing missing is her talking about Dofla.
One of Kurumi's first posts in the game, and this is kind of an awkward post that kind of bolster's Grams credibility as town before that can possibly be established
Gram's first real mention of Joygirl is when he's addressing SK, and my best attempt at explaining this is that he is trying to make the insinuation that Soul is perhaps taking a swing at her due to personal bias? Not a great look, and isn't followed up on.
This is Kurumi's most substantial post, and a lot of it goes absolutely nowhere. She's doing the pairmatching thing between multiple players she doesn't quite have a read on and is mostly trying to establish grounds for doubt without giving away any freebies
The sole exception to this is Gram, and she comes across as very self aware making this read.
^ Kurumi noses in to a discussion about Gram and shores up Tweet's town read.
I want to note the sentiment of this post, which Gram directs at Aurelian, because Kurumi drops this absolute stinker of a post next:
This is probably the worst post in the entire game - no exaggeration. She went from Town reading me earlier, states T-Pein isn't really offering much, but defers to lynching me for "info".
Gram does not tear into this post in spite of his position around info lynches, which is really hard for me to wrap my head around.
Kurumi is kind of catching the waves of the existing suspicion of Juliet here, and I think this isn't a coincidence, and shows she's following along with the thread more closely than she's giving away after several players have already beaten this drum.
Seems rather reluctant to actually toss a vote here, fake sentiment
Joygirl shows bunnyears here and cannot resist sniping the scumslip/TMI angle on me when it comes up
lol
This really tells me Gram hasn't been reading her posts, because aside from what I've quoted, really all Joygirl does is beat on about Dofla, who's not present to defend himself and is quite the easy thing to do if he's town.
I also checked her posts from Radiant, and the distinction really isn’t all that apparent at all. Actually, I’d say it strikes me as pretty similar. This doesn’t pass smell check. Gram doesn’t just toss out these kinds of reads without questioning a slot unless the disparity between play is super obvious. I can see this for someone like say, Aurelian, but not here.
Takeaway: I think there's some good equity between these two. If they're not partners, then at the very least it needs to be addressed why Gram is giving a pass to this slot, because any explanation I can come up with belies a t/t interaction. Town Gram would not miss digging into a transparent pocket attempt, Scum Gram could probably take the free town read and roll with it
This includes most of Kurumi’s posts and some of Gram’s. The only thing missing is her talking about Dofla.
Well, good luck @Evans Gramma can be super pushy, in my only OLF round I subbed in as mafia only to directly get my butt kicked badly by that guy
One of Kurumi's first posts in the game, and this is kind of an awkward post that kind of bolster's Grams credibility as town before that can possibly be established
Gram's first real mention of Joygirl is when he's addressing SK, and my best attempt at explaining this is that he is trying to make the insinuation that Soul is perhaps taking a swing at her due to personal bias? Not a great look, and isn't followed up on.
This is Kurumi's most substantial post, and a lot of it goes absolutely nowhere. She's doing the pairmatching thing between multiple players she doesn't quite have a read on and is mostly trying to establish grounds for doubt without giving away any freebies
The sole exception to this is Gram, and she comes across as very self aware making this read.
^ Kurumi noses in to a discussion about Gram and shores up Tweet's town read.
I want to note the sentiment of this post, which Gram directs at Aurelian, because Kurumi drops this absolute stinker of a post next:
This is probably the worst post in the entire game - no exaggeration. She went from Town reading me earlier, states T-Pein isn't really offering much, but defers to lynching me for "info".
Gram does not tear into this post in spite of his position around info lynches, which is really hard for me to wrap my head around.
Kurumi is kind of catching the waves of the existing suspicion of Juliet here, and I think this isn't a coincidence, and shows she's following along with the thread more closely than she's giving away after several players have already beaten this drum.
Seems rather reluctant to actually toss a vote here, fake sentiment
Joygirl shows bunnyears here and cannot resist sniping the scumslip/TMI angle on me when it comes up
lol
This really tells me Gram hasn't been reading her posts, because aside from what I've quoted, really all Joygirl does is beat on about Dofla, who's not present to defend himself and is quite the easy thing to do if he's town.
I also checked her posts from Radiant, and the distinction really isn’t all that apparent at all. Actually, I’d say it strikes me as pretty similar. This doesn’t pass smell check. Gram doesn’t just toss out these kinds of reads without questioning a slot unless the disparity between play is super obvious. I can see this for someone like say, Aurelian, but not here.
Takeaway: I think there's some good equity between these two. If they're not partners, then at the very least it needs to be addressed why Gram is giving a pass to this slot, because any explanation I can come up with belies a t/t interaction. Town Gram would not miss digging into a transparent pocket attempt, Scum Gram could probably take the free town read and roll with it
It was something that was on my mind anyway - mostly because I think that I had questions about Tweet flipping wolf in the event T-Pein was town, so I circled back to initial suspect e.g. you
Got more to say on that incoming
Evans
Exceptional
I think this needs consideration
Gram’s EoD
Gram's end of day dance comes off as extremely insincere - the introduction of the possibility that I am preflipping T is apparently worthy enough for him to pause for consideration, but he has 0 follow up to this thought. He asks me rhetorically what he's doing here as if it's completely obvious, and I believe what he's trying to insinuate is that he's allowing more time for discussion/for him to claim.
There are a couple of major problems I have with this:
- His unvote is directly paired with an insinuation that I’m scum. Not “I need more time to think on this or to hear out arguments”. He knows there's really only one possible outcome of this retreat that isn’t T getting lynched, but he’s posturing as if he was totally not taking his finger off the scale after realizing I could possibly go over.
- The introduction of some tinfoil that I have TMI is suddenly worthy of pausing for consideration when he’s been townreading me and strongly scum reading T. This comes off as rather apathetic, I don’t think he’s invested in who goes here either way, in spite of his stated insistence on T.
- He showed very little interest in giving tangible conditional reads at the end of the day, and answered my question with a question:
He gives a vague and non-committal response to both cases, and then shifts the burden on to me to answer questions, after already having accused me of pre-flipping. Which is essentially asking me to dig my own hole.
My last point, and I think this is the biggest gripe I have - I think there's a refusal to consider, from my perspective, what entertaining T as town actually does to benefit me, and him giving credibility to the argument that I’m preflipping is showing a lower level of town discretion than I would expect.
If I am scum stuck in a corner with T-Pein, why on earth do I start insinuating he might flip town and what the consequences of that situation are? Forget about setting the board for tomorrow - my goal here is to escape a lynch.
The irony is the implication of "preflipping" is that I'm trying to set up mislynches for the following day, but that seems more in line with what Gram is doing with this accusation.
Gram's end of day dance comes off as extremely insincere - the introduction of the possibility that I am preflipping T is apparently worthy enough for him to pause for consideration, but he has 0 follow up to this thought. He asks me rhetorically what he's doing here as if it's completely obvious, and I believe what he's trying to insinuate is that he's allowing more time for discussion/for him to claim.
There are a couple of major problems I have with this:
- His unvote is directly paired with an insinuation that I’m scum. Not “I need more time to think on this or to hear out arguments”. He knows there's really only one possible outcome of this retreat that isn’t T getting lynched, but he’s posturing as if he was totally not taking his finger off the scale after realizing I could possibly go over.
- The introduction of some tinfoil that I have TMI is suddenly worthy of pausing for consideration when he’s been townreading me and strongly scum reading T. This comes off as rather apathetic, I don’t think he’s invested in who goes here either way, in spite of his stated insistence on T.
- He showed very little interest in giving tangible conditional reads at the end of the day, and answered my question with a question:
He gives a vague and non-committal response to both cases, and then shifts the burden on to me to answer questions, after already having accused me of pre-flipping. Which is essentially asking me to dig my own hole.
My last point, and I think this is the biggest gripe I have - I think there's a refusal to consider, from my perspective, what entertaining T as town actually does to benefit me, and him giving credibility to the argument that I’m preflipping is showing a lower level of town discretion than I would expect.
If I am scum stuck in a corner with T-Pein, why on earth do I start insinuating he might flip town and what the consequences of that situation are? Forget about setting the board for tomorrow - my goal here is to escape a lynch.
The irony is the implication of "preflipping" is that I'm trying to set up mislynches for the following day, but that seems more in line with what Gram is doing with this accusation.
Kurumi
Preeminent
lol I freaking voted T-Pein in the end so I was barely "sheeping" him. All that stuff you asked me was already answered in previous posts and I´m tired to repeat myself for players who don´t want to read them.
All you are currently doing is some weak OMGUS on me.
Do you all think Ekko was a random kill or do you see that he was killed for other reasons? His main suspect seemed to be Cubey.
Scum Tweet probably doesn't voluntarily take an easy ML off the board. He had already established suspicion on T-Pein. Why would he be planning to gain credit when he's in the position, first and foremost, of having to escape the lynch? Doesn't really make much sense.
I think this post got cut off somewhere in the formatting of the Kurumi/Gram post.
I want to really emphasize this, because I think this a ripe stinker.
Kurumi
Preeminent
@Ultra Dude, before you call other player´s post "the worst post of the game" or "absolute stinkers" learn to make productive posts yourself first! You may spam a lot and there´s a lot of namecalling going on but qualitywise you´re not playing in that high league you see yourself in.
Maybe T-Pein was at least right with Juliet trying to save her scummate Ultra after all.
Maybe T-Pein was at least right with Juliet trying to save her scummate Ultra after all.
@Evans
Not going to do a big quote wall for this one, as I don’t have the time and I’m not really as sure about him as the other two, just going to post my impressions from re-reading him:
- What he got most credit for yesterday was his pushback on me. I think this is actually the most convincing part of his ISO since he looks aggressive, but nobody seemed to really address the context of where this push came from, namely:
- He's doing *way* more than what I'm accustomed to him doing, his progressions on other players come far more rapidly than in his previous games, he frequently doubles back and assigns reads for players in agreement with him. He's a serial tunneler and isn't quite showing that behavior. He’s making lists and tossing multiple players town reads, he’s doing a lot more to be seen and heard. In basically every game I’ve seen him play, he has a handful of suspects and he spends no less than multiple days tunneling them before he gets over them, if at all. Several players have noted he’s different as well.
- Playing positionally. By this I mean, he’s tossing town reads to players who agree with him and what thread direction he wants to take. Once he no longer had to push me to survive, he didn’t. He gives points to players who are doing things he likes, I don’t see much townsolving from him that isn’t some form of “I agree with these posts”
- Very self aware of his thread position and other players attacking him to a degree I'm not used to. His initial response to pressure from me was to point out how I don’t know his meta and how he was busy at work, but he also went out of his way to respond to Aurelian’s name drops as well.
- His interactions around Gram are very weird. In their early back and forth, Evans confusingly insinuated that Gram must have had a “good reason for his push”. Gram also was giving me a little pushback at the same time, and Evans’ suspicion basically evaporates by the time my case rolls around. Gram credits Evans pushback and then pivots to reading me as looking worse off.
- Is putting in more effort to secure his positions - this I think is a big one. Instead of shooting for the hip he's digging up quotes and shoring up all his cases in evidence. He clearly took a bit of time prepping that case on me. He also dug up T-Peins performance from last game, and then softened the blow with the conclusion that “it’s too obvious to be true”. He knows what impact this will have, but he’s just “putting it out there”. This is something I've done before as scum.
Not going to do a big quote wall for this one, as I don’t have the time and I’m not really as sure about him as the other two, just going to post my impressions from re-reading him:
- What he got most credit for yesterday was his pushback on me. I think this is actually the most convincing part of his ISO since he looks aggressive, but nobody seemed to really address the context of where this push came from, namely:
- Me and Evans were the two leading wagons at this point in time
- Evans had shown some minor pushback to my questioning but the only read on me he had vocalized was town
- He suddenly does a 180 “after further consideration” and just happens to arrive at me being scum, putting my wagon above his
- He's doing *way* more than what I'm accustomed to him doing, his progressions on other players come far more rapidly than in his previous games, he frequently doubles back and assigns reads for players in agreement with him. He's a serial tunneler and isn't quite showing that behavior. He’s making lists and tossing multiple players town reads, he’s doing a lot more to be seen and heard. In basically every game I’ve seen him play, he has a handful of suspects and he spends no less than multiple days tunneling them before he gets over them, if at all. Several players have noted he’s different as well.
- Playing positionally. By this I mean, he’s tossing town reads to players who agree with him and what thread direction he wants to take. Once he no longer had to push me to survive, he didn’t. He gives points to players who are doing things he likes, I don’t see much townsolving from him that isn’t some form of “I agree with these posts”
- Very self aware of his thread position and other players attacking him to a degree I'm not used to. His initial response to pressure from me was to point out how I don’t know his meta and how he was busy at work, but he also went out of his way to respond to Aurelian’s name drops as well.
- His interactions around Gram are very weird. In their early back and forth, Evans confusingly insinuated that Gram must have had a “good reason for his push”. Gram also was giving me a little pushback at the same time, and Evans’ suspicion basically evaporates by the time my case rolls around. Gram credits Evans pushback and then pivots to reading me as looking worse off.
- Is putting in more effort to secure his positions - this I think is a big one. Instead of shooting for the hip he's digging up quotes and shoring up all his cases in evidence. He clearly took a bit of time prepping that case on me. He also dug up T-Peins performance from last game, and then softened the blow with the conclusion that “it’s too obvious to be true”. He knows what impact this will have, but he’s just “putting it out there”. This is something I've done before as scum.
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